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Move over introverts and extroverts - are you an otrovert?

1 Jul 2025

Some people are joiners, and some people feel like outsiders their whole lives. We grow up believing that belonging is everything, that happiness depends on finding our people, our tribe, our place in the crowd. But not fitting in is not a flaw says psychiatrist Dr Rami Kaminski. For 40 years he's seen patients who… Audio

Tuesday 1 July 2025

 

1:10 Who decides who succeeds at entrepreneurship?

The University of Auckland is playing host to a major business conference spotlighting female entrepreneurship with industry experts focusing on funding inequities, structural barriers, and the future of women in business. 

Co-chair for this conference, Professor Christine Woods spoke to Jesse. 

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1:20 Lego Legends - the Christchurch mums taking on the world.

The Australian iteration of Lego Masters - the reality game show that takes the concept of building blocks to new heights - is about to return. 

In the latest season Australian teams will compete against teams from all over the world, including New Zealand. 

Emily Fryer and Sarah Mosley will be flying the flag for New Zealand after competing in the first season of our version of the show. 

Emily and Sarah - AKA 'Team Mum' spoke to Jesse about their love of Lego.

Sarah Mosley, Jesse Mulligan and Emily Fryer.

Sarah Mosley, Jesse Mulligan and Emily Fryer. Photo: RNZ

1:35 The cautionary tale that goes to the heart of the wellness industry

Award winning RNZ journalist Phil Vine is back with a new podcast that uncovers the dark side of a therapeutic community - or cult. The Lodge is a story about the consequences of going alternative, when wellness becomes a matter of life and death.

You can find The Lodge on the RNZ website and wherever you get your podcasts.

Image of a smiling woman with her hands raised in the air in a "praising" style. The words "The Lodge" appear above her hands. Her eyes are covered with a teared page rip across her face and across the image below. There are mountains in the distance behind her. The image is in a purple wash. The RNZ badge is in the bottom left corner.

Photo: Amrita Marks

1:45 Tech Tuesday: Find out why Mark Zuckerberg is offering millions of dollars to come work for him.

Mark Zuckerberg, the man behind Facebook and Instagram, is on the hunt for new staff, and his approach is wild. 
In the race to snap up A.I talent, Zuckerberg is reportedly going on house visits and dangling big incentives, in some cases offering people a signing bonus of 100 million dollars.

Meta chief executive Mark Zuckerberg appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast on 10 January, 2025.

Meta chief executive Mark Zuckerberg appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast on 10 January, 2025. Photo: Supplied/ YouTube

2:10 Book Critic - Star Gazers and Without Fear or Favour: A Life in Law

Book critic Bill Hastings discusses Star Gazers by Duncan Sarkies and Ken Keith's Without Fear or Favour: A Life in Law.

Novelist, playwright, and screenwriter - Duncan Sarkies.

Novelist, playwright, and screenwriter - Duncan Sarkies. Photo: Adam Browne

2:20 Update on Oz with Brad Foster; NSW bracing for wild weather

The NSW State Emergency Service has over 300 volunteers on stand-by around the state with concerns a "bomb cyclone" is intensifying off the coast. 

Plus, the jury is deliberating in the mushroom murder trial that's been dominating headlines, and news that celebrity chef Rick Stein is opening a new restaurant in Sydney. 

A man walks through the rain at Milsons Point in Sydney.

A man walks through the rain at Milsons Point in Sydney. Photo: SAEED KHAN/AFP

2:30 Music feature: Youssou N' Dour

This week we're focusing on Senegalese artist Youssou N'Dour.

Youssou has collaborated with the likes of Peter Gabriel, Neneh Cherry, Sting, Tracy Chapman, Bruce Springsteen, and Paul Simon. 

Musician and host of RNZ's 'World of Music' Trevor Reekie joins Jesse.

Play list: Plus Fort - Youssou N'Dour & Etoile de Dakar
7 Seconds (ft. Neneh Cherry) - Youssou N'Dour
This Dream - Youssou N'Dour & Peter Gabriel
Wiri-Wiri - Youssou N'Dour

Youssou N'Dour

Youssou N'Dour Photo: Supplied

3:10 Move over introverts and extroverts - are you an otrovert?

Some people are joiners, and some people feel like outsiders their whole lives. We grow up believing that belonging is everything, that happiness depends on finding our people, our tribe, our place in the crowd.  

But not fitting in is not a flaw says psychiatrist Dr Rami Kaminski.

For 40 years he's seen patients who come to him yearning to be like other people, chasing a feeling at odds with their individuality. Dr Kaminksi says it can be a strength to embrace independent thinking and to stand a bit outside of the circle instead of always joining in.  His new book is called The Gift of Not Belonging: How Outsiders Thrive in a World of Joiners.

Click here for the test to find out if you're an otrovert.

Dr Rami Kaminski

Photo: Scribe Publishing

3:30 Spoken Feature: the opening of the Medellin metro

The opening of the Medellin Metro in 1995 came at a time when the city in Colombia was one of the most dangerous places in the world.

When the Medellin Metro opened in 1995, the Colombian city had recently been called the "murder capital of the world" due to the high homicide rate caused by Pablo Escobar's drug wars.

The network has grown to include a large cable car network which stretches to the neighbourhoods built into the sides of mountains that surround Medellin.

It has helped transform the city into a tourist hot-spot - something unimaginable 30 years ago.

Medellin cable car

Photo: dopplemayr

3:45 The pre-Panel Wallace Chapman previews tonight's instalment of The Panel.

wallace chapman

Photo: wallace chapman